Why aren’t Dems all over the airwaves with this, this is exactly the kind of story that cuts through to the occasional voters, the non political people that Trump does so well with
In "The True Believer" Eric Hoffer noted that movements attract many who want to "purge their sins" by becoming part of it. Trump clearly has that going for him. His followers include the truly paranoid, child molesters, gang-bangers, basic drunks, and nazis. He is happy to give them absolution by being venal for him, and they are apt to follow him anywhere.
More than anything it is the zeal of the compromised that drives much of the things surrounding him and we all are stained.
Thomas, you are right on. Trump was his usual obnoxious, lazy self and didn't want to be bothered to see if those criminals had done more than be in the Capitol. It figures that despicable people like the ones you mentioned were part of this group. It just shows the type of people that suck up to Trump. And frankly, none should have been pardoned.
Trump’s actions are disgusting and reprehensible. Pardoning folks who beat up cops, destroyed historical public property and attempted to interfere with a constitutional process is not what this country is all about.
Claims that Trump was falsely prosecuted for opposing liberals fail to grasp the purpose of the judicial process and the jury system. Juries’ base decisions on evidence and witness credibility. Trump was found civilly liable (by a jury of his peers) for sex abuse, in addition faced multiple sexual misconduct accusations, and admitted to paying hush money to cover up an adulterous affair. Moreover, he was convicted of thirty-four felonies involving deceit and dishonesty (again by a jury of his peers).
While forgiveness is vital in Christianity, justice and accountability are crucial for stability in this country. If folks cannot accept that reality, then Ron White’s song "You Can't Fix Stupid" was correct.
Wait, your article implies Daniel was pardoned for his pornography charges, but the pardon President Trump issued applies only to "offenses related to events that occurred at or near the United States Capitol on January 6, 2021."
Unless you have some pretty definitive evidence, it seems pretty clear that the pardon does not apply to those offenses. In this case your article is quite deceptive.
Until Trump came along, pardons were offered to people who had shown that their offense was the exception and that they were otherwise productive, well-behaved citizens. Why did he pardon somebody who is accused of child pornography?
You know better than that. Blanket pardons are nothing new - Carter and the draft dodgers, Johnson and the Confederates. Even Biden commuted nearly all death penalties because he doesn't like the death penalty, not because of how reformed those murderers are. And you can add on all pardons that have gone out to friends, family and political allies of the Presidents (D & R) that have little to do with whether they are "productive, well-behaved citizens."
But that is all beside the point. You can argue this guy didn't deserve a pardon because of his other conduct, but that is not the argument you made in the article. You worded the article intentionally to make it sound like Trump pardoned him on his pornography charges, when that isn't true. If it wasn't intentional, go ahead and correct it.
Horn, as a former cop, I find your remarks shallow and lacking empathy. While other presidents have issued blanket pardons, none have shown such a complete disregard for justice as Trump's pardon. You imply these pardons were justified because the individuals involved were Trump supporters trying to save their country and were unfairly prosecuted. However, this perspective overlooks the profound consequences of their actions: one police officer died from a stroke linked to an attack with a caustic chemical, and four officers died by suicide afterward. Additionally, the riot resulted in assaults on at least 174 officers. One of the most severe cases involved DC Police Officer Michael Fanone, who was beaten so badly that he suffered a heart attack and a traumatic brain injury. Other officers were hit on the head with metal pipes, and some were stabbed with metal fence stakes. The FBI released videos showing some of the most egregious attacks, including officers being pulled by their gas masks and beaten with sticks or pipes. Officers suffered cracked ribs, smashed spinal discs, and other serious injuries.
Tom is pointing out the type of person who chose to involve themselves in this act of insurrection. They were not patriots, but psychopaths who saw an opportunity to injure and vandalize. It was a fun day, a chance to stick it to the man. Don't cloud the facts with this nonsense.
I implied nothing of the kind. I didn't comment to defend the pardon, I commented because I suspected Thomas was intentionally deceiving his readers about what crimes were pardoned, which he had confirmed in this thread.
Another claim was that the January 6th rioters were actually Antifa members posing as Trump supporters. How would one even disguise themselves as a Trump supporter? Just throw on a Trump baseball cap and attack a police officer with a flagpole? If anyone buys that story, I've got a historic bridge in New York to sell them at a bargain price.
Just disgusting on every possible level for decent people. Good for you to bring this to public attention even in the face of a considerable group of operatives grooming the public to think facts don't matter if they go against their own dogmas.
Good Point Ilene, illegal immigration leads to increased criminal activity, but recent research suggests otherwise. Studies have shown that immigrants, including those without legal status, are less likely to commit crimes than native-born Americans. In fact, immigrants have had similar or lower incarceration rates compared to U.S.-born individuals for the last 140 years.
Why aren’t Dems all over the airwaves with this, this is exactly the kind of story that cuts through to the occasional voters, the non political people that Trump does so well with
How horrible!!!
WTAFH?! Ohhhhh a 47 pardon, that explains it.
I have no words. Unfortunately MAGA will not believe
In "The True Believer" Eric Hoffer noted that movements attract many who want to "purge their sins" by becoming part of it. Trump clearly has that going for him. His followers include the truly paranoid, child molesters, gang-bangers, basic drunks, and nazis. He is happy to give them absolution by being venal for him, and they are apt to follow him anywhere.
More than anything it is the zeal of the compromised that drives much of the things surrounding him and we all are stained.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2025/01/january-6-riot-pardons/681459/
Thomas, you are right on. Trump was his usual obnoxious, lazy self and didn't want to be bothered to see if those criminals had done more than be in the Capitol. It figures that despicable people like the ones you mentioned were part of this group. It just shows the type of people that suck up to Trump. And frankly, none should have been pardoned.
Birds of a feather, flock together.
Trump’s actions are disgusting and reprehensible. Pardoning folks who beat up cops, destroyed historical public property and attempted to interfere with a constitutional process is not what this country is all about.
Claims that Trump was falsely prosecuted for opposing liberals fail to grasp the purpose of the judicial process and the jury system. Juries’ base decisions on evidence and witness credibility. Trump was found civilly liable (by a jury of his peers) for sex abuse, in addition faced multiple sexual misconduct accusations, and admitted to paying hush money to cover up an adulterous affair. Moreover, he was convicted of thirty-four felonies involving deceit and dishonesty (again by a jury of his peers).
While forgiveness is vital in Christianity, justice and accountability are crucial for stability in this country. If folks cannot accept that reality, then Ron White’s song "You Can't Fix Stupid" was correct.
Molesters protect molesters.
Wait, your article implies Daniel was pardoned for his pornography charges, but the pardon President Trump issued applies only to "offenses related to events that occurred at or near the United States Capitol on January 6, 2021."
Unless you have some pretty definitive evidence, it seems pretty clear that the pardon does not apply to those offenses. In this case your article is quite deceptive.
I would have hoped for better from you.
If you Defend Insurrectionists. You are a Traitor. No questions asked.
Until Trump came along, pardons were offered to people who had shown that their offense was the exception and that they were otherwise productive, well-behaved citizens. Why did he pardon somebody who is accused of child pornography?
You know better than that. Blanket pardons are nothing new - Carter and the draft dodgers, Johnson and the Confederates. Even Biden commuted nearly all death penalties because he doesn't like the death penalty, not because of how reformed those murderers are. And you can add on all pardons that have gone out to friends, family and political allies of the Presidents (D & R) that have little to do with whether they are "productive, well-behaved citizens."
But that is all beside the point. You can argue this guy didn't deserve a pardon because of his other conduct, but that is not the argument you made in the article. You worded the article intentionally to make it sound like Trump pardoned him on his pornography charges, when that isn't true. If it wasn't intentional, go ahead and correct it.
Horn, as a former cop, I find your remarks shallow and lacking empathy. While other presidents have issued blanket pardons, none have shown such a complete disregard for justice as Trump's pardon. You imply these pardons were justified because the individuals involved were Trump supporters trying to save their country and were unfairly prosecuted. However, this perspective overlooks the profound consequences of their actions: one police officer died from a stroke linked to an attack with a caustic chemical, and four officers died by suicide afterward. Additionally, the riot resulted in assaults on at least 174 officers. One of the most severe cases involved DC Police Officer Michael Fanone, who was beaten so badly that he suffered a heart attack and a traumatic brain injury. Other officers were hit on the head with metal pipes, and some were stabbed with metal fence stakes. The FBI released videos showing some of the most egregious attacks, including officers being pulled by their gas masks and beaten with sticks or pipes. Officers suffered cracked ribs, smashed spinal discs, and other serious injuries.
Tom is pointing out the type of person who chose to involve themselves in this act of insurrection. They were not patriots, but psychopaths who saw an opportunity to injure and vandalize. It was a fun day, a chance to stick it to the man. Don't cloud the facts with this nonsense.
I implied nothing of the kind. I didn't comment to defend the pardon, I commented because I suspected Thomas was intentionally deceiving his readers about what crimes were pardoned, which he had confirmed in this thread.
For better or worse, I'm going to start playing by Republican rules. You know, "Haitian immigrants are eating people's pets."
Another claim was that the January 6th rioters were actually Antifa members posing as Trump supporters. How would one even disguise themselves as a Trump supporter? Just throw on a Trump baseball cap and attack a police officer with a flagpole? If anyone buys that story, I've got a historic bridge in New York to sell them at a bargain price.
Just disgusting on every possible level for decent people. Good for you to bring this to public attention even in the face of a considerable group of operatives grooming the public to think facts don't matter if they go against their own dogmas.
And the lesson from this is that we have more to fear from native born predators than immigrants, legal or not.
Good Point Ilene, illegal immigration leads to increased criminal activity, but recent research suggests otherwise. Studies have shown that immigrants, including those without legal status, are less likely to commit crimes than native-born Americans. In fact, immigrants have had similar or lower incarceration rates compared to U.S.-born individuals for the last 140 years.
Exactly!!